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again. >> schieffer: we'll talk about all of it with senator john mccain, a senior republican on the armed services committee stanley mcchrystal, the former commander of our troops in afghanistan. wells virginia's democratic senator joe manchin and loss an list mayoran -- los angeles marion antonio villaraigosa and amy walter and our own john dickerson. this is face the nation. captioning sponsored by cbs from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> schieffer: and good morning even again and we're going to begin with the senior republican, senator john mccain. senator thanks for being with us this morning. well the president made it pretty clear on friday, we're leaving afghanistan and perhaps sooner than some expected, and every report you hear from behind the scenes is we're going to keep very very few people there. what do you make of this, what's your take on all this? >> it's a one of a series of decisions the president has made basically irrelevanting his military advisors so whether it be in iraq which is now unraveling very significantly or wh
. there was this comment about chuck hagel's war. figuring out what john mccain is saying. military readiness and military action. stop taking advice from these guys and start looking at people -- as opposed to these couch talkers. host: thank you. can we look at this relationship between chuck hagel and john mccain? both veterans from the vietnam war, and they were friends, and the question became whether or not john mccain would support him. guest: i think there was a natural affinity between them due to their service in vietnam, and i know senator mccain -- i do not know senator hagel personally, but i do know john mccain, and he reaches out across the aisle, so he is a very personable person, but i do think over time, the differences of the senators about iraq and afghanistan and other issues and also questions about who senator hagel was going to support, who he supported in 2008, all of this leads to something. that they are no longer best buddies does not surprise anyone, because at the end of the day, washington is about politics, and people have diametrically opposed opinions about these key secu
. here's a guy four years ago john mccain was saying chuck hagel would make a great secretary of state. bill crystal was saying eight years ago chuck hagel should be vice president of the united states. if ronald reagan or george bush or mitt romney nominated chuck hagel, they would be saying he's a republican! he's a conservative. he's a war hero! he's one of ours but barack obama nominates him and right away, they're trying to bring him down. >> i found it amazing that, of all the people to come out and say they had reservations and concerns about chuck hagel, john mccain was leading that argument. i can almost understand some of the guys who have just -- are not -- haven't been in the congress or haven't been in the senate that long but john mccain's been here long enough. he knows better. >> bill: if anybody is a blood brother to chuck hagel, it's john mccain. but there's a total smear campaign. two issues. let's deal with them quickly. one, they say he's anti-israel. baloney! you look at his votes. that's what counts. he voted for billions of billions of dollars of military aid to
. i helped host one of the meetings were lindsey graham and john mccain made very clear their views on susan rice. the moderator cut the president's response and have those simultaneously been going on, susan rice would have deflected a lot of the attention from this hagel nomination. now other nominations, like john brennan, which is controversial in some quarters, and john kerry are getting less attention. i would like to comment on the gay rights. i was the only journalist who happened to have written about chuck hagel's views on gay issues years ago because i had conversations with him about my own views that at the time we were still pursuing translators working in intelligence agencies and the defense department and trying to purge them from military service. i had a discussion with him about that and about and don't ask, don't tell. they were attempting to sort out how you would sort through. hagel made clear his support for repealing don't ask, don't tell. i want to be clear that he is saying, and i don't think it is just a move that he has apologized to hormel, and hormel a
't like the guy. i didn't. a lot of people didn't like the guy. i understand why john mccain wouldn't like a republican senator that endorsed a democrat. i understand. he doesn't play well with others in the sandbox. he certainly didn't when he was in the senate. i got to know him, though, through the years, and we got to know him. we like him. we respect him. he said some things about israel that caused me concerns. >> yeah. >> but he's going to be the president's secretary of defense. and i just wonder, what's better for democrats politically? if barack obama gets his republican secretary of defense or if republicans who, after deep sixing an african-american woman for secretary of state, now turn and savage one of their own? what's better for barack obama? because i personally think that republicans killing hagel's nomination is the best political thing that could ever happen to democrats. because it makes republicans just look obstructionist. >> well, i'll dial that back a couple points on the meter. the president losing a nomination fight would be bad for him and there would be costs
, and afghanistan when he was only the candidate obama and going up against john mccain, which could foretell what we may hear from john mccain. we haven't heard really very much from him about chuck hagel in this context. we have certainly heard from lindsey graham, and we'll hear from john cornyn coming up on this program who has been fiercely critical. >> i would say andrea two people to watch. you've got one. mccain absolutely because he was someone that was close to chuck hagel. kind of the reform-minded republicans. they clearly broke, parted ways on iraq. i do think that chuck hagel, politics does always matter. i think the fact that chuck hagel full throatedly endorsed bob kerry in nebraska in 2012 will not sit well with other republicans. i think the other senator we need to watch, which this is chuck schumer, the new york democrat, very powerful form heard of the senatorial campaign committee, you know, widely seen as probably the next leader of the democrats and the senate. who was skeptical about the idea of a hagel pick, in part, because of his past statements on israel. schumer, i as
" will bring john mccain and john manchin of west -- west virginia. also, stanley, crystal. -- retired general stanley crystal. finally at 4:00 eastern, "face the nation" from cbs. you can listen to the mall and c-span rio, on a 90.1 fm in the washington, d.c. rate -- washington, d.c. area. you can also listen on your smartphone or go online to c- span.org teo .org -- cspanradio.org. >> hopkins could read the president's new unlike anybody else. he came as close as anyone to be in evidence in to what robert sherwood would call roosevelts heavily forested interior. heavily forested interior. he went to be still in the presence of the president. went to press him. when to back off and to the joke. after he local election, wendell willkie was in his office, and they remained friends, and like you said to the president, why do you keep that man so close to you, that man being hopkins. roosevelt said, you may be in this office and they, you will understand, but he asks for nothing except to serve me. >> trusted adviser and friend to fdr, harry hopkins lived in -- in the result white house for 3 1/2
their nomination for the process and we will wait to see if that is enough. host: we heard from senator john mccain. what did he have to say? guest: he is being cautious. he is concerned with some of the things that chuck hagel has said and done, especially regarding the israeli-iraq issues but he is not committing to opposing the nomination. john mccain had previously said that chuck hagel is a close personal friend, they are both vietnam veterans and served together in the senate and they do know each other and there is a level of camaraderie and respect. i don't think john mccain and knows what he will do. i think the hearings for chuck hagel and the vetting process in congress and the media will have a big impact on the final results. host: we are asking our viewers this morning to tell us what they think are the foreign policy challenges in 2013. if chuck hagel were to get that spot, what does he face? guest: he will face a range of foreign policy challenges. it is almost unprecedented -- we are talking about a military that is tired and worn out after 10 years of war, facing fiscal challenges
get into it, the one who made the most headlines on this, not john mccain. the idea that every sunday talk show feels that they have to book john mccain every sunday is -- i am so sick of it. common. you know he will say something crazy but he is crazy. why keep booking him. >> for sure. >> so didn't make any news yesterday. the one who did was colin powell. first of all, who former secretary of state, former chairman of the joint chiefs who said that -- he came out very, very strongly in defense of senator haggel. >> people say that doesn't necessarily make him a good candidate for secretary of defense. i will tell you who thinks that makes him a good candidate for secretary of defense, the men and women in the armed forces of the united states and their parents. >> meaning, of course he will be the first enlisted man to serve as secretary of defense. and one of the few wounded in wartime and in combat to the serve as secretary of defense. then where colin powell really made news was when he we want on to say, this whole battle over chuck ha
an easy confirmation. here is the reaction today from senator john mccain, a one-time political ally who once considered hagel as a running mate. i have serious concerns about the positions senator hagel has taken on a range of critical issues in recent years which we will fully consider in the course of the confirmation process. he's talking about iran, his willingness to consider cuts to the budget, and perhaps his pro -pro pro-israel support. >> i'm a united states senator, not an israeli senator, but my first interest, i take an oath of office to the constitution. >> lindsey graham said his former colleague would, quote, be the most antagonistic secretary of defense toward israel in the nation's history. mr. hagel hotly disputes that, he has many defenders including those in the jewish community. hagel has apologized for the tone of his opposition in 1998 to an openly gay ambassadorial candidate. he called him openly, aggressively gay, and nowinsens. joining me now are margaret and peter. margaret, full disclosure, you helped start a group which is now opposed to senator hagel's nomi
an easy confirmation. here is the reaction today from senator john mccain, a former vet, former colleague and a one-time political ally who once considered hagel as a running mate. quote. i have serious concerns about the positions senator hagel has taken on a range of critical issues in recent years which we will fully consider in the course of his confirmation process. he's talking about his skepticism about military action against iran, his willingness to consider cuts to the defense budget and most explosive perhaps past statements on the pro-israel lobby. >> i'm a united states senator, not an israeli senator, i'm a united states senator. i support israel, but my first interest is, i take an oath of office to the constitution of the united states, not to a president, not to a party, not to israel. >> another republican senator lindsey graham said his former colleague would, quote, be the most antagonistic secretary of defense towards israel in our nation's history. mr. hagel hotly disputes that, he has many defenders including those in the jewish community. the defense establishment
to get the nomination through the process. host: we heard from senator john mccain. he put out a statement right away. tell us about that. guest: senator mccain is being cautious. he is concerned with some of the things he has done and said, especially concerning israel. he has previously called him a close personal friend. he is a vietnam veteran. they served together in the senate. they do know each other. there is a level of comedy and respect between senators. -- i do not think that john mccain knows what he is going to do. i think the hearings in congress and in the media will lead an impact on the final results. host: we are asking our viewers to tell us what they think are the foreign-policy challenges in 2013. what does he face if he were to get the nomination? guest: he will have a range of foreign-policy challenges. we are talking about a military that is tired and worn out after more than 10 years of war. a state of fiscal challenges and austerity that is really unprecedented in american politics, which is put pressures on all of the budgets that he would have to be
roles off and on since the 1980s and was a campaign for john mccain in his failed bid for the presidency. wolf? >> lisa, thank you very much. we'll be anxious to see what the task force comes up with, what the president says in the state of the union address before congress. thank you. lisa, thank you very much for that report. >>> the obama administration may be stepping up its push for some form of new gun control legislation. but will the president be able to rally the support of congress? most importantly, the american public at the same time? we'll dig deeper with our chief political analyst gloria borger. here's what the president recently said on "meet the press." i'll play the clip. >> we're not going to get this done unless the american people decide it's important. and so this is not going to be simply a matter of me spending political capital. one of the things that you learn, having now been in this office for four years, is the old adage of public opinion. without public opinion there's not something you can't do and wut it there's very little you can't get done in this town
would mention john mccain in that category of disagreements they've had in the past, but also to hold the president's feet to the fire on other things they want to have more on the table. gwen: i have a hard time imagining senator schumer, a leading democrat, in the end -- he may hold out his support but in the end, not supporting the president's choice. >> no, and hagel's going to say what schumer wants to hear about support for israel. there's no question about that. gwen: already has. >> and he's calling senate ofss saying he's a strong supporter of israel but on the point of, if he's going to not get confirmed, i would find that shocking because the president will line up behind the -- democrats will line up behind the president's choice. >> two purple hearts. gwen: john brennan has to be confirmed and he's been the architect, for many democrats, a far more troubling policy of targeting killings and drones. >> the drone policy, right. i would imagine that his confirmation hearing, as they should be, a full discussion about what the president's policies are going forward and are.hi
is forgetting about that. i happen to be a gay american. he always picks a radical people. john mccain is a war hero. everybody can say whatever they want about chuck hagel but he's awful for the job and i hope he does not get confirmed. c-span is to answer republicans when they call. host: we are trying to take a number of calls. we have all three lines open. you can see the numbers on your screen. we will try again to get alton on the independent line. let's go on and to carl in chicago, a democrat line. caller: i have done research on both of the gentlemen. hagel been a republican, i think the president is doing what he is doing, reaching across both sides of the aisle. it seems the opposition to chuck hagel it is the same group of naysayers like senator gramm and the rest of them that are immediately passing them before they have a chance. john brennan would make an excellent cia director. he has the credentials. he has the strength. even though chuck hagel's role is going to be a bumpy one, i believe it will be confirmed with this 113 congress. the president is appointing a republican to t
. >> what would it be like if you and john mccain ended up running for president on the republican ticket at the same time? >> i don't know. john mccain is a verylose friend of mine. there's no one i admire more than john mccain. we think alike on many things. we are different too. i disagree with john. john disgrease with me on issues. but how all this plays out over the next two years, i don't know. but regardless of how it plays out he will always be a good friend and i will always be a great admirer of his and i'm grateful for his service to our country. >> can you see yourself running, if he runs, will that impede you from running if he says i'm going again? >> well, brian, i think in this business, or any major decision one makes in your life, that decision has to come from you first. it's got toome from you, the considerations, or your family or other personal issues. then you start working through the more external conditions. you know in this business that if you run for president there will be many very qualified candidates out there, some will be good friends, i suspect. you kn
boarding. he privately told mr. obama he opposed. >> john mccain still has questions about what role brennan played in enhanced interrogation and why he publicly seemed to support it and he intends to ask those questions. mccain a long time critic of water boarding. >> bret: thank you. the president's pick to run the c.i.a. spent 25 years there. katherine tells us john brennan may face a contentious battle. >> to his controversial statements that the c.i.a. interrogation program brennan himself acknowledged. >> i told the presidential today i'm the president's assistant on counterterrorism. i told him that i will do better and we will do better as a time teem. >> they accuse the obama administration of negligence the underwear bomber was read his miranda rights and lawyered up hours after. they say intelligence was lost for good. we need no lecture. writing quote, politically motivated criticism only serves the goals of al-qaeda, the notion that america's system of justice are unable to handle these murderous... >> he was describing water boarding as inconsistent with american values
is going to have an easier fight. but there are questions about it. i mean, john mccain who was tortured himself when he was a p.o.w., has raised real questions about brennan's role in the bush administration supporting enhanced interrogation. today, he put out a statement saying he wanted to know, quote, what role he played in the so-called enhanced interrogation progras while serving at the cia during the last administration. i would also point out, wolf, that john mccain is on the same side as the liberal civil rights group the aclu in this. they are raising the same kinds of questions. even though in the past, brennan has said that he opposes these enhanced interrogation techniques. >> we'll watch these confirmation hearings every step of the way. >> should be interesting, both of them. >> low flying helicopters have people in some of the country's biggest cities asking questions. the answers have to do with preparations for a possible terrorist attack. using radioactive dirty bombs. >>> plus, before we get to that, we have some new details emerging about the colorado theater shootin
john mccain introducing it and he wasn't trusted by the hispanic community. they didn't look at him as being authentic. i think cube yeo can make a difference this time and pairs with ted crews and obama could do himself a favor if he enlists the help of these border state governors. guys like rick perry, susan martinez and jan brewer and marco rubio, as well. one thing he is not doing in his proposal that he is probably going to unveil later this year, there is no mention of border security at all. >> arthel: okay, because that is going to veer off. you touched on something that i want to bring santita in on this. that president obama should reach out to some of the border governors like perry and regardless of party. what do you say about that? >> i said at the top of segment they come here legally. where are the borders really? of course, we're for the border governors they have an interest in protecting borders but we also have to look at our intake. if you have people that visit this country who just come here and stay and homeland security can't track them, come on, what is go
and john mccain may be one of them. >> really? >> joe made that point yesterday. there's some people in washington who personally don't like chuck hagel. they may actually like him personally but he rubbed some people the wrong way in the course of doing politics in d.c. what do you think is going on here with someone like senator mccain says one thing six years ago and another thing today. people like lindsey graham bring up the word "israel" an awful lot. what's at the core of the opposition? >> i think some of those substantive issues do concern him? . john and joe are right. chuck hagel has distanced himself from the republican party in a real and significant way. he essentially voiced support in 2008 for then senator obama's campaign for the presidency. traveled with him offer seas and really worked to squash concerns raised by mccain at the time and some of the fringe of the republican party barack obama was unfit, unqualified and maybe not even an american. this confirmation hearing will be important. it's obvious even some democrats want to hear answers from senator hagel on
's credibility. does anyone else remember others? there was this notion -- they released this story -- that john mccain was having a relationship with a woman. they had heard in a very sexually provocative dress on the on-line edition, and a dress her up for the next one. this woman was a kind of lobbyist, but there was nothing in there that never proved that mccain was compromised. if mccain had a relationship with this woman, it was between him and his wife, and there was nothing -- he had not touched on anything that was politically important. they sort of backed away from that. it just lowered the temperature, again, of what we might call their bodily communication wait -- weight. there are other cases, the duke across scandal was another embarrassment. -- lacrosse scandal was another embarrassment. they did not cover themselves in glory, but the woman who claimed to be rich was not raped. it goes on like this. they also had a story about why caroline kennedy did not get the nomination, and that is when they also mentioned that she did not pay her taxes or something, but nobody put any recor
congressional freakout here? other than from the predetermined one from john mccain? >> john mccain and lindsay graham and a few others may say it. very important to go back to the debt ceiling debate, we came to the edge of real financial crisis in this country. guess who was on jon stewart and stephen colbert, saying we are spending $120 billion in a country, and it's not good for america. grover norquist. this afghanistan war is not in their interest from a financial perspective from his work i think you really begin to see a quick collapse of conservative support. progressives and most independents already had a great deal of skepticism about afghanistan, but it's these debt issues that have really driven a real collapse, and there is a real support for iraq and afghanistan. anybody who supports an ongoing troop presence, and the mainstream to use, and lately that folks have tried to rile up chuck hagel. >> one last question briefly about chuck hagel. you and i talked about him before since he was nominated. what do you know about how things are going for senator haggle in terms of trying t
mccain ran for president at the same time? >> john mccain is a very close friend of mine. there is no one i admire more than john mccain. we think alike on many things. we are different too. we disagree on issues. but how all of this plays out over the next two years, i don't know. but regardless of how it plays out, we will always be a good friend and i will always be a great admirer of him and i am grateful for his service to our country. >> if he runs will that impede you from running? >> i think in this business any decision one makes in life, that decision has to come from you first. it's got to come from you t considerations are your family, are other personal issues. then you start working through the more external conditions. you know in this business that if you run for president, there will be many very qualified candidates out there. some will be good friends i suspect. you know that and you factor that in. and you're not unmindful of that kind of competition. and that kind of competition is good for the country, it's good for our system. we want the best people in this busine
john mccain? >> well, i think john mccain and lindsey graham and a few others may say it. but listen, very important to go back to the debt ceiling debate, which we came to the edge of real financial crisis in this country. guess who was on jon stewart and stephen colbert in saying we're spending $120 billion in a country with $14 billion of gdp and it's not good for america. grover norquist. grover norquist was out educating conservatives that this afghanistan war was not in their interests from a financial perspective. forget the strategic questions. and from his work, i think, you really begin to see a quick collapse of conservative support. progressives and i think most independents already had a great deal of skepticism about afghanistan. but it has been these debt issues that have really driven a real collapse of interest and support for afghanistan. so anyone that comes and radically supports an ongoing troop presence in afghanistan is going to look very, very much out of the mainstream to use some of the comments lately that folks have tried to rile up about chuck hagel. >> l
found the house in about a block and then we found osama bin laden. host: senator john mccain said he wants to take a closer look at the interrogation policies of the bush administration and john brennan's involvement in that. guest: i applaud with john mccain said about interrogation. he has been saying for ever that torture does not work and he should know. he was in the hanoi hilton for so long and tortured by north vietnam during the war. he is right, in my view. i did serve on the intelligence committee for eight years. i was there in the 1990's and came back and was a ranking member. i think we should look at interrogation policies and look at detention policies and we should look at drone policies. before this nomination, john brennan asked to come to the wilson center which i now head, he asked to comment talk about the legal framework around drone policy. it should not be our foreign policy. it is a tool but many of our tools should be developed through prom -- diplomacy and soft power and john brennan understands this. one thing i hope he will do after he is confirmed, and i
that i think john mccain and others have carried is that if we draw down forces in afghanistan, we reduce our leverage with pakistan. i completely disagree. the more your forces are drawn down in afghanistan, the more leverage you actually have to shape the choices pakistan may make, but we're not going to dominate pakistan. it's going to be a constant relationship that's up and down, part seduction and just doing battle with one another, and pakistan's survivability as a nation is going to, in part, be dependent on itsibility to shape where the taliban goes because, of course, its internal issue is that the afghan taliban began to actually seed and grow in insurgency inside pakistan that they had to deal with, and i think that's fundamental. the troops on the ground don't necessarily help us solve that problem. other issues, money and other elements of state, will help us influence pakistan. >> what do we know about conversations between the karzai regime and the taliban, the negotiations in france? >> well, president karzai during our interview said that they are currently still in nego
have happened between 2006 and today to change john mccain's mind. maybe it was hagel's opinion on sarah palin. hagel said "i think it's a stretch to say that she's got the experience to be president of the united states." he actually was one of the first republicans to come out and question that selection. certainly no republican should be questioning hagel's qualifications, unless you want to go back and look like a bunch of hypocrites. they weren't complaining about dick cheney's qualifications as defense secretary under bush 41, even though cheney had managed to get five deferments from serving in the vietnam war. chuck hagel served in the vietnam war in the same unit with his brother tom, as the president pointed out. how can republicans question hagel's qualifications? today senator hagel accepted president obama's nomination and immediately focused on the troops. >> these are people who give so much to this nation every day with such dignity and selflessness. this is particularly important at a time as we complete our mission in afghanistan and support the troops and mili
not seen it, either. we're going to talk about it. cia is in the middle of this controversy. john mccain and a couple of others hated water boarding. water boarding is a part of this story when the movie basically says from the water boarding at guantanemo bay they did pick up clues and names and names led to names and it all led to osama bin laden. what's your take on that? water boarding, gaunt guantanemo. >> i think it's weird that the debate has shifted on the hill from this movie is inaccurate to this movie is a little too accurate. where did you get your information? and i think that's maybe it's just a smoke screen. maybe it's just sort of senators and congressmen throwing up kind of we can have a hearing, we can have an inquiry so they don't have to address the substantive concerns. there are people with stakes in the debate. but most senators and congressmen don't want to talk about torture. >> i think that's right. keith, the cia says another criticism they say is it it was a team effort. not just this one woman. we all buy into that. cia however issued a statement about the wa
of it is personal. a once close relationship with fellow vietnam veteran john mccain. they separated. part of it is policy. part of it is personal. if you do the math right now, he has a tougher hill than most nominees to climb. the president likes him. the president is comfortable with him. senator hagel will have to do a little diplomacy in the halls of the senate. he knows how that works. >> in the east room for this announcement. the president will nominate whom he hopes will be his next defense secretary and his next cia director. does he really have any chance of not being confirmed right now, gloria? >> well, i think it's going to be a long battle, and i think it could be a tough battle for him. >> very hard for democrats to go against the president's nominee. >> well, it will. but i was told today by a senior democratic congressional aide that there are at least ten democrats right now who he said are either undecided or concerned about chuck hagel. now that tonight mean they are no votes, wolf. but it means they will be called upon to answer an awful -- he will be called upon to a
" yesterday and the white house see some opposition of graham an potentially john mccain as being sort of a grudge for chuck hagel's turning against the iraq war in the second term of the bush administration. hagel supported the war and then soured on it as the years went on as a lot of americans did and i just want to share with you, carol, comments i got from this administration official talking about graham. it's one thing to posture on a talk show. it's another thing to look a two-term senator in the eye and say i'm voting against you because you turned against the war in iraq. this official also described the nomination of hagel as a vote where a president gets his guy so they don't see this nomination as being so controversial, so white hot and provocative that the president doesn't get a -- get his person confirmed by the senate. obviously, there have been nominees to secretary of defense in the past who did become major problems like john tower with personal issues that derailed his nomination as secretary of defense in the reagan administration. but one other thing i wanted to
opposition of the surge in iraq, when the party's nominee at the time, john mccain was running a presidential campaign counting the surge under george w. bush. the surge of course the troops going in to iraq, stepping up the troop presence there to try to get iraq under control. you'll remember then senator obama opposed the iraq surge as well. so, the republican party for the most part, many members believe that chuck hagel stepped away from the foreign policy element back then, and was very adamant. he was for the iraq war before he was against it and then was very vocal about being against the surge in iraq and that's really where some of that back and forth started. then you add on top of that some of the statements that he's being criticized for about israel, and iran, and hamas, and you have some growing concerns on the right from the republican party, and senator lindsey graham has articulated those numerous times. jon: the president managed to, well fracture i guess is a good word for it the republican opposition in the house over the fiscal cliff negotiations. he got some republicans
was winning world war three. we have sound of john mccain, but we do have martha ready dots talking about other people who are opposed to this. who you think would be opposed to this. here is march martha ready dots. >> they called hagel an "in your face" pick. >> it is difficult to support this confirmation. >> it's a controversial choice. >> chuck haig settle not a responsible option. >> cenk: all right. this is about israel. >> their' hedging on whether they're going to support him because they said they're in favor of chuck hagel. this is not an anti-israel senate. >> this is a huge jewish lobby. but there was a great point made in the press. i think it was by fred kaplan of slate. he said, wait a minute. these are the same guys who say if you criticize israel, you're anti-semitic. wait a minute. >> they're inferring something that just isn't there. another problem is a remark he made when james hormel was nominated to be an ambassador remarks he made about gay americans. this is more from martha raddatz raddatz. >> he made a comment about the ambassador to luxembourg calling him ope
raised, he'll be prepared to deal with. >> also new today, senator john mccain offering new insight into his concern about this nomination. >> what is his view of america's role in the world? whether he really believes that the surge was the worst blunder since the vietnam war. that clearly is not -- that's not correct. i mean, in fact, it's bizarre. why would he oppose calling the iranian revolutionary guard a terrorist organization? these are legitimate questions that need to be asked. i honor his service. we are friends. but i have an obligation to the men and women who are now serving in uniform. >> let's go now to nbc news white house correspondent peter alexander. so peter, with a good sunday to you, my friend. lots of reaction on the sunday talk shows on this hagel fight. has it reached a new level, and do you think this suggests it's going to be a bit tougher than the president envisioned to get him passed, get this nomination through? >> it's a good question. i had a conversation with a vrn administration official a short time ago, and he made it clear he was referring spec
to susan by some members of the congress was outrage us. but-- . >> rose: john mccain, for example. >> well, i mean, yes, he and others. i think that it was-- it was predicated by politics. and not the public interest. but that said, you know, when the president made his choice he made a positive choice, not a grudging choice, because he has known john kerry, he served with john kerry. john kerry's been an extraordinary partner with the administration over the last four years in the foreign relations. >> rose: and has undertaken missions for the president, syria and other places. >> has indeed. so the president has great confidence in him. he knows chuck hagel well, they traveled to iraq and afghanistan together. i think he admired hagel's strength and independence in standing up on some of these issues in the senate. and he i was intrigued by hagel's status as someone who has actually been an enlisted man, two purple hearts, understands the wages of war. >> rose: and are friends too, i mean he liked him. >> there's no doubt that he likes him. and i, you know, i think that the fact that the
are supportive of israel. >> well, john mccain a fellow vietnam war vet, he released a statement after today's announcement saying, quote, chuck hagel served our nation with honor in vietnam, and i congratulate him on this nomination. i have serious concerns about the positions senator hagel has taken on a range of critical national security issues in recent years. you listen to some of this vitriol, it's like he's charles lindberg or something. i have been to israel so many times. you have doves in the community over there, you have moderates, people like perez who is almost godly in his love for peace. you got all kinds of people over there with different views. isn't the american secretary of defense allowed to have a particular view that's in the middle or slightly to the left or does it have to be bibi netanyahu to have -- >> if you go to tel aviv and look at the debate -- >> it's wide open. >> wide open. here it's much more -- >> if you're not for bibi, you're not considered pro-israel. >> chuck hagel is not a pacifist. number two, he's a war is last resort rather than war is first res
was in 2011. hagel, though, still has his own fight on his hands. yet senator john mccain acknowledged that his skepticism about the nomination of his long time friend and ally has its roots, and why they've split since, has its roots in the fact that hagel split with mccain on the iraq surge. >> we both knew that we were losing the war in iraq. lindsey graham and i and joe lieberman and others said we need a surge. and the president somewhat reluctantly adopted the surge and it succeeded. senator hagel obviously said it couldn't. and he called it the biggest blunder since the vietnam war. that is a really gross misconception of america's role there and in the world. >> south carolina senator lindsey graham said he could put a hold on cia nominee john brennan's nomination until the white house addresses questions about benghazi again. quote -- i do not believe we should confirm anyone as director of the cia until our questions are answered, like who changed ambassador susan rice's talking points and deleted the references to al qaeda. my support for a delaying confirmation is not direc
about john mccain ten years ago when he was running against george bush. chuck hagel has some of the problems that he does. keep in mind, he is as -- we said in intro, he is obama's choice, and, of course, republicans are going to object to him. there's a certain amount of partisan ranker. >> that's a problem, right? once it's completely obvious that they would try to block him because he is obama's choice, but this is not sfw that is traditionally done. we have a statistic somewhere here. do you know how many cabinet nominees have been rejected since 1789? 2%. >> wow. >> the understanding is when a president wants someone to be in his cabinet, you let the president have that person in his cabinet, but michael eric dyson, are we witnessing the dawn of a new era where everything the man wants to do is -- >> i teach hagel, marx, and freud, they're just great people. the reality is that chuck hagel is an independent-minded person. the republicans want your cake and eat it too. you want somebody who is independent and saying, look, i disagree. gently but forcefully. here's a man w
party. it's not just that he has difficult personal relationship but he really offended john mccain in 2008. he didn't endorse barack obama but he traveled with him and that was a tacit endorsement going to iraq and afghanistan with obama and it really angered mccain. >> governor barbour, one of the questions that andrea raised in discussions with us this week is how does somebody who has got such a tough relationship with republicans help this president lead big budget cut backs at the pentagon? won't that be tough on capitol hill? . >> it remains to be seen. he wasn't picked to improve the president's relationship with republicans. like general powell, not sure exactly why he was picked but as andrea said, normally, the presidents get their choices for the cabinet. these hearings, i think, will be contentious, particularly on iran, israel, hamas and hezbollah. we will see. i should tell you, chuck hagel and i have been friends since the mid'70s when we were young staffers. his wife was from meridian, mississippi. that maybe enough to help him. [ laughter ] but the fact of the matt
another vietnam veteran, senator john mccain who hagel split with over the troop surge in iraq. who responded to hagel's nomination saying, "i have serious concerns about positions senator hagel has taken on a range of critical national security issues and here's the most important part of that quote, "in recent years." he is aware of the quotes he said about hagel six or seven years ago. they've got five purple hearts between them. that's the kind of people we want withdrawing from afghanistan and ending this insane war. i see them as the perfect dynamic duo. batman and robin, salt and pepper, tom and jerry. they have both been shot at and hit. like the hagual pick nominating john brennan signal to opponents of the light footprint strategy which relies on technology and holds war as a last resort when president obama is looking for cover to draw down the u.s. presence in afghanistan and around the world. brennan has been the chief defender of this expanded drone policy. arguing in april that drone strikes against al qaeda are "ethical and just." >> it is hard to imagine a tool that
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